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Other researchers have shown that both Sally and Elijah are deceased
by 1855, but I have found no official record of
their deaths. That deduction probably comes because they are not found in the 1860 census of Mississippi. It appears they have 5 children under the age of 10, and they are both under 26 years of age.
The only Thurman I can find in 1830 is Philip Thurman, age 70-80 in the Claiborne Co census.
#524/524 next door to Wm Thurman and John Waldrop Census Image
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makes note: H. Elijah Thurman: Served in Civil War: 36th
MS Infantry Lauderdale and Simpson Co
However, noting the age, I would think it might more likely be Elijah, son of Hugh Thurman, and grandson to Elijah and Sally. |
| 2 i. | Able Chatman Thurman, Sr 4 born c1816, and died before 1840 in Mississippi |
| 3 ii. | Hugh / Hughy Thurman born c1817 and died October 24, 1873 in Simpson Co Mississippi |
| 4 iii. | William Woodard Thurman born c1822 in Marion Co Mississippi & died November 1853 in Simpson Co Ms |
| iv. | Daniel James Thurman
born c1830 in Mississippi
I have been unable to locate him in the 1850 census of Mississippi |
| v. | Redden Thurman born c1834 in Mississippi |
| vi. | Centilla Thurman born c1837 in Mississippi |
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2. Able Chatman Thurman, Sr 4 (Sally3, John2, John1) was born c1816 & died c1838 in Simpson Co Mississippi.
| 5 i. | Able Chatman Thurman, Jr 5 was born April 04, 1837 (some say in South Carolina), and died November 18, 1911 in Lawrence Co Mississippi |
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Sources:
Eddie L. Thurman IGI Film # 1985375 Loren A. Thurman Ancestry.Com World Tree |
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1837 Simpson Co State Census
Next door to Henry Berry, Willis Huckaby, and Isaac Fortenberry # 474 / 474 Census Image
Enumerated September 27, 1860 by C.B. Banks #619/619 Census Image Farmer $1200/1500
Enumerated 20 June 1870 by G.W. Farlow #197 / 198 Farmer $800 / $600
SD 2 ED 100 Beat 3, page 5 Enumerated 15 June 1880 by LB Harper #35/35
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| 6 i. | Francis Marion "Frank" Thurman 5 born October 27, 1837 in Simpson Co Mississippi, and died October 01, 1918, burial in Strong River Cemetery, Pinola, Simpson Co Mississippi |
| 7 ii. | Elijah "Lige" Thurman born October 27, 1842, and died October 27, 1897, burial in Strong River Cemetery, Pinola, Simpson Co Mississippi*** |
| 8iii. | George Washington Thurman born December 22, 1844 in Mississippi, and died January 10, 1910 in Mississippi, burial in Hathorn Cemetery, Jefferson Davis Co Mississippi |
| iv. | Sarah J. Thurman born c1846 in Mississippi |
| 9 v. | Mary Elizabeth Thurman born February 08, 1849, and died April 28, 1928, burial in Strong River Cemetery, Pinola, Simpson Co Mississippi. |
| 10 vi. | William M. Thurman born April 21, 1853 in Simpson Co Mississippi , and died January 10, 1923, burial in Pinola Cemetery, Simpson Co Mississippi. |
| vii. | Martha 'Mattie'
Thurman born c1855 She married
Henry Hampton
1880 Census Image 1880
Simpson Co Mississippi SD 2 ED 100 Beat 3
Next door to Albert and Rosa Berry |
| viii. | Susan Thurman born January 31, 1857, and died July 05, 1902, burial in Strong River Cemetery, Simpson Co Mississippi. She never married |
| ix. | Aley Thurman born c1857 |
| x. | Nicy Thurman born c1864 |
| xi. | Emma Lanicie
Thurman burial
in Macedonia Cemetery, Pinola -Weathersby, Simpson Co Mississippi.
Se married Lonzo Brown |
She is said to be buried in Grubbs Cemetery, Simpson Co Mississippi, though
I find no listing in the records of that
cemetery.
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1850 Simpson Co Mississippi Enumerated November 02, 1850 by
Angus W. Smith Page 324b
#523/523 next door to Elijah Thurman and John Waldrop
Nancy is head of household, listed as farmer, and property valued at $400 / 200 Census Image
1880
Simpson Co Mississippi SD 2 ED 100 Beat 3
Nancy Thurman, age 57, born in Mississippi In 1900 Nancy is living with her granddaughter, Susan Grubbs, and her own daughter, Patsy Thurman Brown. |
| i. | Patsy
"Martha" Thurman 5
born November 1847 in Mississippi.
She married John Brown I think this is them: 1880 Simpson Co SD 2 ED
101 Beat 2
JS Brown, age 34, born
in Mississippi
1900
Simpson Co Census Image
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| 11 ii. | Daniel Thurman born October 07, 1847 in Westville, Simpson Co Mississippi, and died January 28, 1929. |
| iii. | Mary Jane
Thurman born c1848,
and died before 1900.
She married John Lucas In 1860, John Lucas was living in the household of Thomas & Rebecca Hutson next door to Nancy Thurman, his age was 18. 1880
Simpson Co Mississippi SD 2 ED 100 Beat 3
John
Lucas, age 40, born in Mississippi
1900 Simpson Co Mississippi John
Lucas, widower, age 62, born November 1837 in Mississippi
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| 12 iv. | Mansel T. Thurman born June 18, 1849, and died November 15, 1916 in Yazoo Co Mississippi. |
| v. | James Thurman born c1851 |
| 13 vi. | William Woodard Thurman, Jr. born c1854 in Simpson Co Mississippi |
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5. Able Chatman
Thurman, Jr 5 (Able4, Sally3, John2,
John1) was
born April 04, 1837 (some say in South Carolina), and died
November 18, 1911 in Lawrence Co Mississippi
| Abel Chatman and Martha
Myers Bible
Present Owner: Katy Edna Thurman Berry R.F.D. Pinola, Simpson Co Mississippi (1967) Transcribed by Inez Coleman Myers Contributed by Joseph Carter The mother of Abel Thurman is Elizabeth Loftin Births:
Note
by Inez Myers Coleman:
Note by Susan
BARLOW Holmes:
Marriages:
Deaths:
A note inside the Bible
written by Minnie Thompson Thurman, undated, states:
Children of Able Thurman
and Minnie Thompson
Note from Inez Coleman:
One further note: Inez states that this Bible record, transcribed in 1967 was in the home of Katy Edna Thurman Berry; however, Katy was deceased in 1963. Perhaps it was with one of he |
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I find an Abel Thurman in the 1841 Simpson
Co state census index, but do not have
the record. He was about 4 years of age, and his father is deceased. I have been unable to locate an 1850 census record. Enumerated September 15, 1860 by C.B. Banks #470/470 Census Image Farmer $500
1870 Monticello,
T 8 R 19 W Lawrence Co Mississippi Page 132
1880
Lawrence Co Beat 4 SD 2 ED 121 Pg 20
Cemetery
Records from the Newsom - Bush Cemetery in Lawrence
Co Mississippi,
Also buried in
the Newsom-Bush Cemetery is a son of Able and Martha, Hugh Franklin
Also buried in
that cemetery is J.R. Thurman 01 Jan 1885 - 23 Aug 1911, whom I have
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| i. | Hugh
Franklin Thurman 6
born May 13, 1857 in Simpson Co Mississippi, and died January 08, 1914
The daughter of Edward P. Waltman and Martha Newsome, she was born June 15, 1861 and died October 16, 1947
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Children:
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| ii. | William Filmore Thurman
born May 14, 1859 in Lawrence Co Mississippi, and died March 10, 1826.
The daughter of Edward P. Waltman and Martha Newsome, she was born c1865.
Children:
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| iii. | Laura Elizabeth Thurman
born February 19, 1862, and died April 10, 1908
She married Joe L. Thompson on November 04, 1878 are he and Minnie sibling's |
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| iv. | Mary Aphalona Thurman
born November 07, 1865
She married Henry Newsome on February 13, 1887 |
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| v. | Abel Chatman Thurman
(3rd)
born
March 15, 1869
He married Minnie Thompson on September 02, 1888 Children:
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| vi. | Edward Clay "Ned" Thurman
born
January 27, 1872
He married Alice Blackmon on February 19, 1891 |
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| vii. | Martha Balzora "Mattie"
Thurman born October
20, 1874
The son of Edward P. Waltman and Martha Newsome, he was born January 02, 1871 in Lawrence Co Ms * Children: Jack Thomas Waltman Mattie Jewel Waltman Bessie Waltman Louie A. Waltman |
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| viii. | Sara Katy Thurman born
November 04, 1877
She married Jordan D. Barber on April 07, 1898 |
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Frank fought for the Confederacy in the Civil War, Co A 39th MS Regular
Date of death per Civil War papers |
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This is one of those ' family circles' .....
Blanche Shivers is the daughter of Jemima Berry and
John Shivers, Jemima is in turn the sister of John, who is father to Sally, whose family is outlined on this page. |
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| In 1860 Simpson
Co, Frank, age 23 is living with Tally
M. and Mary Berry.
1870 Simpson Co
Mississippi Beat 3, Westville P.O. Enumerated 16
June 1870 by G.W. Farlow
1880 Simpson Co Mississippi SD 2 ED 100 Beat 3
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Children of Frank Thurman and Margaret Fortenberry are:
| i. | Willis Thurman 6 | |
| ii. | Mary Jane Thurman born
March 27, 1862 in Mississippi, and died in July 1945.
The son of Edward P. Waltman and Martha Newsome, he was born c1855 Leona Mattie Waltman born November 21, 1883 Robert Newsom Waltman Jim Waltman Nola Waltman Lela Waltman Estus D. Waltman, 1888-1972 married Ava Berry, daughter of Monroe Franklin Berry and Lorena Madagascar Berry. Ava was born in September 1891, and died in January 1977. Both are buried in the Newhebron Cemetery, Lawrence Co Mississippi. They had no children. |
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| iii. | Fannie T. Thurman born
July 17, 1866 in Mississippi, and died August 1921 in Lawrence Co
Mississippi
Claude Waltman born December 25, 1896 Coley Waltman born August 04, 1899 Alonzo Wilford Waltman Elizabeth Waltman Willie Waltman |
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| iv. | George Washington Thurman
born
July 1869 in Prentiss, Jefferson Davis Co Mississippi, and died in 1962
in Winnsboro, Franklin Parish Louisiana.
She was born April 13, 1867 and died November 26, 1956, burial in Prentiss Cemetery, Prentiss, Jefferson Davis Co Mississippi. She is the daughter of Andrew Wilkin Polk and Asentha Anne Lowe and the sister to Julie, who married George's brother, Hugh.
Lee O. Thurman 7 born c1892 David Thurman born July 1894 John Edward Thurman born June 26, 1897 in Prentiss, Jefferson Davis Co Mississippi D'Lo Thurman born June 1899 Annie Lou Thurman Clyde Thurman |
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| v. | Hugh E. Thurman born
after 1873 in Mississippi, and died in 1950.
She was the daughter of Andrew Wilkin Polk and Asentha Anne Lowe She was born January 11, 1865, and died July 31, 1919. Both are buried in Shivers Cemetery, Shivers, Simpson Co Mississippi Another researcher gives Julie's birth as February 03, 1873. Ester Thurman Cylie Thurman Mabel Thurman Iola Thurman Dezzie D. Thurman born June 23, 1899 in Simpson Co Mississippi |
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| vi. | Amanda Thurman born
May 20, 1878 in Mississippi, and died in 1963, burial in Bethlehem Cemetery,
Simpson Co Mississippi.
He was born December 05, 1879, and died in April 1954, burial in Bethlehem Cemetery, Simpson Co Ms |
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| vii. | Aquilla Thurman born
August 09, 1880 and died October 25, 1965, burial in Oak Grove Cemetery,
Hattiesburg, Mississippi.
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| 1860 Simpson Co
Mississippi Beat 3 Westville P.O Page 181
Enumerated August 22, 1860 by C.B. Banks #293/293 Census Image
Margaret S. Shell, who later married ____ Berry Zilla Berry, widow of Henry Berry 1870 Covington Co Mississippi,
he appears to be living with his in law's.
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1870
Covington Co Mississippi #34,39
1910 > Mississippi > COVINGTON > 3-BT Series: T624 Roll: 738 Page: 172 a census image |
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Anna
Everling
by Janet Smith, Jean Strickland and Patricia N. Edwards, Pg 173 by Louis Anderson, Stanley W. Arnold Jr, & Elaine Bullock, Pg 139. Tall Monument: Susie M. Wilkes, wife of G.W. Thurman - G.W. Thurman dob - dod They apear to be living in a mixed household of black, mulatto, & white folks, unless the census taker missed a household & family # for them, the black/mulatto family being that of Jack Laird. Enumerated July 08 by HA McLeod
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| i. | Mary F. Thurman 6 born 1864 | |
| ii. | Sarah Jane Thurman born
March 10, 1865, and died June 19, 1958, burial in Collins Cemetery, Collins
Covington Co Mississippi.
He was born July 26, 1861,and died February 19, 1921 in Collins, Covington Co Mississippi, burial in Collins Cemetery. He was the son of Jonathan H. Bass and Margaret J. Harper.
Georgia Leonora Bass born November 02, 1891 in Covington Co Mississippi Robert Lowrey Bass born August 11, 1885 in Covington Co Mississippi James Clark Bass born December 25, 1886 Homer Thurman Bass born March 15, 1889 Roscoe Holmes Bass born January 18, 1897 Mary Berry Bass born October 08, 1904 William Alexander Bass |
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| iii. | L.E. Thurman born c1868 -female- | |
| iv. | R.A. Thurman born c1869 - female- | |
| v. | Annie B. Thurman born c1870 | |
| vi. | Jannett M. Thurman born c1872 | |
| vii. | F.M. Thurman born c1873 | |
| viii. | Martha L. Thurman born c1874 | |
| ix. | J.E. Thurman born 1876. He married Nora Grice | |
| x. | G.W. Thurman born 1879 | |
| xi. | Charles Edgar Thurman
born May 22, 1882 in Covington Co Mississippi, and died October 28, 1964
in Jefferson Davis Co Mississippi, burial in Mt. Zion Methodist Church
Cemetery.
* He married Etta Irene Miller on July 23, 1909 in Jefferson Davis Co Mississippi. * Children: George Clyde Thurman Virgil Terrel Thurman |
1880
Simpson Co Mississippi SD 2 ED 100 Beat 3
Enumerated
July 2, 1880 by LB Harper
Page
34 #306/306
Needham
Holyfield, age 35, born in Mississippi, farmer
Mary
Holyfield, age 30, born in Mississippi
Emma
Holyfield, age 9, born in Mississippi
William
Holyfield, age 7, born in Mississippi
Hugh
Holyfield, age 5, born in Mississippi
Frances
Holyfield, age 3, born in Mississippi
Epsey
Holyfield, age 1, born in Mississippi
1900
Simpson Co Mississippi Census
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Married
30 years, 8 children born, all living
Page
#--/--
Needham
Holyfield, age 59, born October 1845 in Mississippi
Mary
Holyfield, age 57, born February 1849 in Mississippi
Emma
Holyfield, age 28, born September 1871 in Mississippi
Bennie
Holyfiled, age 25, born July 1873 in Mississippi
Hugh
Holyfield, age 24, born November 1875 in Mississippi
Ella
Holyfield, age 18, born February 1882 in Mississippi
Julia
Holyfield, age 16, born April 1884 in Mississippi
Mattie
Holyfield, age 11, born April 1889 in Mississippi
Note: James Monroe Dampier's first wife was Berilla Walker, daughter of Willis Walker and Charity Berry
1880 Simpson Co Mississippi
SD 2 ED 100 Beat 3, page
8 next door to Dulany Berry, and two doors from JJ Berry
Enumerated 15 June 1880
by LB Harper #62/62
Wm Thurman, age 26, born
in Mississippi
Ada Thurman, age 21,
born in Mississippi
James Thurman, age 2,
born in Mississippi
Maggie Thurman, age 1,
born in Mississippi
1900 Simpson Co Mississippi
SD 6 ED 97
Enumerated June 05, 1900
by L.A. McCaskill
Page 3-4 #24/24
Married 23 years, 12
children born, and he mistakenly put that only 1 is living, probably should
be 11.
Nieighbors: F.E. and
R.B. Shivers, Kennedy, Webster, McCollum
Census
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William Thurman, age 48,
born April 1852 in Mississippi
Addie Thurman, age 41,
born December 1858 in Mississippi
Maggie L. Thurman, age
21, born January 1879 in Mississippi
Orca Thurman, age
19, born November 1880 in Mississippi
Mary E. Thurman, age
18, born February 1882 in Mississippi
Susie Thurman, age 15,
born April 1884 in Mississippi
T. Jefferson Thurman,
age 13, born December 1886 in Mississippi
Robt. Lee Thurman, age
11, born October 1888 in Mississippi
Lemuel Thurman, age 9,
born February 1891 in Mississippi
Clara Thurman, age 7,
born February 1893 in Mississippi
John Taylor ? Thurman,
age 5, born January 1895 in Mississippi
Mable Myers? Thurman,
age 2, born August 1897 in Mississippi
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The following two families, that
of Daniel Thurman and Manson Thurman has
given me a lot of confusion,
perhaps someone has an explanation for this. married Martha, however, the 1870 census of Mt. Zion, Simpson Co Mississippi makes me question that. numbering, and it was redone by someone else, and both were turned in to the government, but regardless, the outcome is the same as far as the names of the husband and spouse. that Elizar was omitted so that subsequent pages would not have to be redone :) The initial J was also moved from Nancy to Martha, or vice-versa. The duplicate page 284 is done in a different handwriting than the rest of the census. 1870 Mt Zion, Simpson Co Mississippi Enumerated 13 June 1870 by G.W. Farlow Page 284 appears in a different handwriting from the rest of the census, a duplicate made by someone else in order to fix the numbering mistake, I suppose. page 284 # 86/86 & #87/87 and page 298 #86/86 & #87/87 Census Images
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